ID help - Filago spp.?

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ID help - Filago spp.?

Post by IL-PINE » Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:06 pm

what is this? Best bet I made was Filago sp.
Any clue?
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Post by greenhorn » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:21 pm

I am not sure, like usual, but I guess pyramidata, var. prostrata.

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Post by MWP admin » Mon May 21, 2007 12:02 am

I am also of the opinion of greenHorn - Filago pyramidata - but do not know about the varieties. I am sure that Filago pyramidata will do fine !
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Post by wolf » Mon May 21, 2007 7:48 pm

it could also be filago cossyrensis which is a sub endemic but am not sure how to diifferentiate between the two. to be fair I have never seen f.pyramidata and have only come across f.cossyrensis very recently - and it was kindly identified for me

this is pic of cossyrensis
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Post by IL-PINE » Mon May 21, 2007 10:30 pm

I wish to say that I agree with wolf on reading Haslam,

however I cannot reply since MWP told me not to repeat!

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Post by wolf » Tue May 22, 2007 5:52 am

what a cryptic answer pine !!!

I see you still sport immaculately manicured fingers...in future this forum will be a very good document on " how Pine's fingers aged gracefully over the years " you cud even start the topic...

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Post by MWP admin » Tue May 22, 2007 8:22 am

Pine, I said I dont like the unneccessary repeats to obvious confirmations given by botanical experts (those usual 3) as it sounds childish. Of course you can discuss, disaproof, show doubts,etc to them and you should express your confirmations to other learning members as I like it.

You know that I did not mean to 'keep the mouth shut' becasue a newcomer may think that I want to imply so. Hope you share the same opinion?

Having said all this, I repeat that you can do as you wish!
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Post by MWP admin » Tue May 22, 2007 8:31 am

Re. Filago very strange contrasting comments.
Blamey says that F. pyramidata is prostrate (and hence my suggestion) and Haslam says erect for F. pyramidata and prostrate for F. cossyrensis.

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Post by MWP admin » Tue May 22, 2007 2:19 pm

This morning we went to search for this Filago and finally we found an interesting patch.

The plant is prostrate and cushion-like and so according to Haslam it is Filago cossyrensis. Pine's plant looks to be prostrate too.

In the pop I found one which was erectish but I think the young plant starts as an erect form and hence all the pop is the subendemic Filago cossyrensis.
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Post by jackpot » Tue May 22, 2007 4:22 pm

For your information about the next edition:

Filago pyramidata L. var. prostrata (Fiori) Wagenitz
English: Broad-leaved Cudweed, Broadleaf Cottonrose, Maltese Cudweed
Main Synonyms: Filago cossyrensis Ten. ex Lojac., F. germanica Huds., F. spathulata (C. Presl) Rchb., Evax tenuifolia Guss.

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Post by MWP admin » Tue May 22, 2007 5:28 pm

To Pine, we should go hand in hand and throw this Haslam down Dingli Cliffs! It is too old for recent updates.
PS: if you want to say "jackpot I confirm the ID" go ahead!
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To Jackpot, Is F. pyramidata var. prostrata (ex- Filago cossyrensis) still our subendemic (since of 'Maltese cudweed)' and the pyramidata in europe is of another variety ? Also, is it the only native Filago spp found in Malta then ?
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Post by IL-PINE » Tue May 22, 2007 8:12 pm

Wolf Quote: I see you still sport immaculately manicured fingers...in future this forum will be a very good document on " how Pine's fingers aged gracefully over the years " you cud even start the topic... = Yes indeed!



Pine, I said I dont like the unneccessary repeats to obvious confirmations given by botanical experts (those usual 3) as it sounds childish. Of course you can discuss, disaproof, show doubts,etc to them and you should express your confirmations to other learning members as I like it. You know that I did not mean to 'keep the mouth shut' becasue a newcomer may think that I want to imply so. Hope you share the same opinion? Having said all this, I repeat that you can do as you wish! :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:
you are too fu*in serious!

well I am glad this topic is becoming so interesting!

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Post by wolf » Tue May 22, 2007 8:27 pm

Pine what have you done to make MWP taqbizlu c-cinga ?

MWP - take things easy - dont let the heat get you

this must also be the first "serious" argument I know about a filago !!

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Post by MWP admin » Wed May 23, 2007 8:51 am

Don't take me too serious :bootyshake:
Glad that pine understood my point. Awaiting from JP about the Filago as it really interesting now...
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Post by jackpot » Wed May 23, 2007 4:09 pm

I am not a Filago specialist! The name Maltese Cudweed is similar wrong as it is for Centaurea melitensis (Maltese Star Thistle). I am quite sure that I found years ago the Filago vulgaris, growing ruderal (as far as I remember in Rabat). At that time I did not know that I could become once interested in the Flora of Malta! :lol:
However, since that time I have never noticed other Filago species except the rare pyramidata one.

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