Emm... emm... "tree"

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Emm... emm... "tree"

Post by RB » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:40 am

I do have a very good idea of what this is, but since there are 2 very closely related species I'd much rather let you guys do the ID'ing.

Another q. This seems to be "summer deciduous" is this normal?

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Post by jackpot » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:28 pm

wowww... I have it only seen for 1 time in Malta but almost every day in my garden! :wink:
This is good for the quiz!

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Post by RB » Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:12 pm

No, too easy...

Ok not to spoil the fun - is this the "big" one or the "small" one?

I seem to find info that this is a typical winter deciduous tree, but here it lost all its leaves in summer and started sprouting after the rains. However it is known as an early starter in Spring in much colder climates than here, so likely it does not drop anything in our winter and drops in Summer due to dryness, it is located by the side of a field in open flat farmland, far away from any valley. Oh, and in Malta :wink:

It puts on a very beautiful display in spring, I had often seen this single tree and wondered about it, thought it was an exotic, and when I saw the flower display, then I said wowww... I missed the fruits though, apparently edible when ripe (strictly).

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Post by robcar » Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:39 pm

Can one of you please tell us what it is :? :?

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Post by RB » Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:22 pm

C'mon Rob look it up... not difficult :!:

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Post by MWP admin » Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:49 pm

This forum topic is not a game!! There is a specialised Quiz and Educ topic for fun and games. :? :? So Rb we beg your pardon !
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Post by RB » Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:59 pm

Emm... emm... sorry but blame jack and his idea!! :roll:

Actually I am still not 100% of the EXACT species so I am also asking!!

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Post by MWP admin » Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:09 pm

C' mon Rob look it up... not difficult
RB, you gave the impression you know it!!


Jack don't tease us that much we are all (so far 3) so curious now!!
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Post by RB » Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:51 pm

Well it's not young :lol:, I just am not sure if it is black or short, and I would not mind a drink for my efforts :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

now there's enough for you!

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Post by robcar » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:52 pm

Your short or black clue leads me to the elder (Sambucus) - I have never seen this plant (either one species or the other) and to be honest would not have recognised it. You made me spend quite some time looking up anything finishing with nigra or nana or dwarf or black :evil: :evil: - I need to work harder on trees and shrubs since I am unable to recognise some of them :(

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Post by Sdravko » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:50 pm

sambucus nigra, probably not native but found sometimes in old gardens since it was used as a remedy. i think i saw one in feb without leaves and several in spring with leaves and flowers. so im quite amazed that it should drop the leaves in summer. but with the Maltese summer ill believe everything.
the 2 sp are easy to recognize. Nigra is a shrub or tree, ebulus is a herb. i know ebulus only from Gozo and would be pleased if someone could show it to me in Malta. the beries are said to be deadly, but others say they are edible. try them and tell me if you can. :D

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Post by wolf » Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:01 pm

this tree looks very similar to ones ( planted i think ) at upper wied il-qlejgha....am i right or wrong ?

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Post by RB » Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:34 am

I can assure you that it was fully bare in summer, and that it has only started to go green with the first rains. It was under observation ;-)

I really do not know if it will drop anything again around Jan, but it seems unlikely - as previous note, info I found indicate that in northern climes "spring" comes at around feb for this tree- still far colder than anything our Jan can come up with.

Native? Don't know, maybe it was in the olden times.

This tree is at the side of a field. It's actually quite obvious as now there is a main road cutting by the field.

Poisonous berries? No, that's not what I found out about this, but they MUST be ripe. Or else...

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Post by jackpot » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:27 pm

ok, sorry, certainly S. nigra (you can make a soup from the berries). I do not have S. ebulus in my garden :wink: but would like to know the location on Gozo.

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Post by IL-PINE » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:51 pm

Well I have never seen neither species! I would have never identified it :)

But good guess Robcar haha!

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Post by Sdravko » Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:20 pm

well, nigra is only mildly poisonous. eat too many raw berries and i ve been told it starts comming out both ends. sometimes i eat a few ripe berries if there is nothing else around to nibble but it tastes like you dont want to eat tooo many.
syrup, wine or liquor from the berries and flowers are very popular in some countries and i have made them several times. cleaning the kitchen afterwards is more work than preparing the stuff. :D

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Post by RB » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:31 am

Sdravko et al, remember Michael Jackson's "Beat It"

Well each time I read one of your posts I think of this:

http://www.com-www.com/weirdal/eatit.html

Must be your anthem... :!: :violent2:

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Post by Sdravko » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:20 pm

hehe, you got very close. :wink: exept that i never lacked appetite. :lol:

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