Silybum marianum (?) and something else

Requests about identification of wild plants in Malta and Gozo. (Please include precise details and pictures to help the experts in their ID process)

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Silybum marianum (?) and something else

Post by D. Cilia » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:27 pm

Can anyone confirm whether the first picture is the determined species (Silybum marianum)? A lot of these plants look very much alike and they tend to be somewhat confusing!

I would also like to know the name of the plant in the second picture. It seems to be quite common in hedges and public gardens.

Excuse the not-so-hot photography!
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Post by D. Cilia » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:28 pm

The first picture should be after the second one. My error.

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Post by IL-PINE » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:02 pm

The first picture looks like Atriplex halimus if I can identify from that picture.
The second picture boq, ? Qaqocc salvagg - forgot the scientific name.

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Post by D. Cilia » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:04 am

Qaqocc is Cynara. But many of the prickly asters have similar leaves and ID is quite difficult at times, especially when the flower has not appeared yet. The choice between Cynara, Silybum and Centaurea is what actually prompted my question!

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Post by RB » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:05 am

1 is 101% Atriplex (as pointed out) and 2 is 102% Qacocc selvagg (as pointed out).

I'm 103% sure on this :lol:

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Post by D. Cilia » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:03 am

Thanks to both of you, 104% :-D

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Post by RB » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:12 pm

When one has to remove spines of Qaqocc which adorn the "inflorescence" measuring up to 13mm long which happen to be penetratating one's shin straight to the bone :shock: , one tends to become very familiar with this plant... and gives it a wide berth at all seasons, especially in Summer when it is dry...

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Post by MWP admin » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:04 pm

Species name is Cynara cardunculus L. but if the leaves are poorly spined, it could be the hybrid between the wild Cynara cardunculus and the cultivated Cynara scolymus (Qaqocc ta' l-ikel). Such hybrids are often seen in clay-soil in Gozo. The hybrids also have much less spiny involucre.
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