A small Carex

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A small Carex

Post by MWP admin » Fri May 11, 2007 11:55 am

Can you identify the species in the pics below. Found at Gozo in valleys Ta' Cenc and Dwera.
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Post by jackpot » Fri May 11, 2007 1:51 pm

C. flacca agg.

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Post by MWP admin » Fri May 11, 2007 4:09 pm

Thanks - I wished it was something more interesting. Now it is obvious that this species (or aggreagte) are quite variable. I posted Carex flacca a month ago or so and still I did not thought that this was the same. If I am understanding well the physiology, the photos show dried stamens at the top and fruits below.
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Post by IL-PINE » Fri May 11, 2007 10:58 pm

I think actually that those are the male flowers with stamens above, and the female flowers below....

yep carex flacca

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Post by IL-PINE » Fri May 11, 2007 11:03 pm

is this Carex divisa?
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Post by MWP admin » Sat May 12, 2007 7:05 am

If that is the whole length of the inflor. it must csn be C. divisa. There is C. divulsa where the flower clusters are not evenly spaced along the spike.

To say it all, it looks different from my C. divisa pics :?:
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Post by jackpot » Mon May 14, 2007 9:31 am

should be C. vulpina

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Post by MWP admin » Mon May 14, 2007 1:01 pm

... and I've mistaken C.divulsa with C. distans in my prev. post!!
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Post by IL-PINE » Mon May 14, 2007 1:19 pm

yes indeed C. vulpina .... Thanks! (forgot to look in Weber's book :( )

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Post by MWP admin » Mon May 14, 2007 1:53 pm

I suppose you also found it at Chadwik lakes. I am searching Carex muricata, also from there but not found yet.
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Post by IL-PINE » Mon May 14, 2007 9:57 pm

yep

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Post by jackpot » Tue May 15, 2007 8:19 am

...before arriving the lakes (Qlejgha valley) in the dark wood on the left hand side of the road are hundreds!

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Post by MWP admin » Thu May 17, 2007 2:46 pm

MWP admin wrote:... and I've mistaken C.divulsa with C. distans in my prev. post!!


I was right in the first palce - Carex divulsa is the one with progressively spaced inflor. It happened to check Haslam illustrations and seen C. divulsa different and after reading C. distans I thought that I mistken it. I am considering to throw away Haslam!


C. divulsa is found plentiful in Buskett

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Post by IL-PINE » Thu May 17, 2007 6:28 pm

I have not understood you mwp!

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Post by MWP admin » Thu May 17, 2007 7:32 pm

If the inflorescence units are equally spaced and close to each other (and overlapping) that it is Carex divisa.

If the units are spaced further away towards the lower part of the inflorescence (and very close at the apex) it is Carex divulsa.

BUT your specimen is Carex vulpina. I was just giving extra notes on Carex.
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Post by MWP admin » Thu May 17, 2007 7:35 pm

jackpot wrote:...before arriving the lakes (Qlejgha valley) in the dark wood on the left hand side of the road are hundreds!
"Dark wood" => you mean the Arundo donax /Ricinus communis pop, somewhere beneath the tunnel???
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Post by IL-PINE » Thu May 17, 2007 7:54 pm

well vulpina occurs just after you pass the dam having arundo/ricinus, pass the field with the vines and along the passage.
If you wish I can take you there mwp.

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Post by MWP admin » Thu May 17, 2007 8:06 pm

Bwaaahh this post is a mess of misunderstandings:
I suppose you also found it at Chadwik lakes. I am searching Carex muricata, also from there but not found yet.
I have C. vulpina from Chadwick Lakes Pine, but I was asking location of Carex muricata which on Weber & Kendzior book it is written that it is also found from there. Hope JP replied for muricata then...

Soon the season is over... :?
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Post by IL-PINE » Thu May 17, 2007 10:25 pm

lol

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Post by IL-PINE » Fri May 18, 2007 11:17 am

your divulsa is not convincing me however!

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Post by MWP admin » Fri May 18, 2007 12:07 pm

So what you think it is in your opinion?

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Post by wolf » Fri May 18, 2007 7:22 pm

lets complicate matters some more......I tentatively identified this one as carex distans but am far from 100% sure

carex - what a ksur is-s..... !

any ideas

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Post by MWP admin » Fri May 18, 2007 9:27 pm

I would opt for Carex extensa (rare) or the variable Carex flacca (frequent). If you would like, please can you tell us where you found it in the case that the experts Identify it as C. extensa (which I don't have a photo of)?

http://plantes.sauvages.free.fr/pages_p ... ctees_.htm


Do you have photos of Carex divulsa and compare it with mine that I posted here.
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Post by wolf » Sat May 19, 2007 11:44 am

MWP - this was found a little to the west of san blas in gozo where there is also a good number of chaste trees - sigar tal-virgi

to be honest have no pics of c.divulsa - I am just starting to look a bit deeply into carex ...u ha nghidlek thawwadt naqa !

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Post by IL-PINE » Sat May 19, 2007 4:01 pm

This was growing with vulpina - I guess it is vulpina in fruit!

mwp - your divulsa it is similar to mine but with a little more gaps. boq!
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Post by MWP admin » Sat May 19, 2007 5:34 pm

Wolf: Thanks... seems that I have to search it in 2008. I think Carex is a nightmare for many, though I am getting into them quite well now.

Pine maybe my divulsa is in fruit and the gaps are more spaced up. Your wolfina, eeer.. vulpina pic is the fruit (IMHO)
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Post by MWP admin » Fri May 28, 2010 5:39 pm

I was searching for Carex flacca on the forum and came along this.

All C. vulpina I saw from Malta (including Chadwick Lakes) should be attributed to C. otrubae (syn C. cuprina). I was studying some specimens of this which were really weird and atypical, and is not sure what they are, but at the moment I labelled them as atypical C. cf otrubae

Wolf's image is likely C. distans - I just need to see the whole inflorescence. Interesting record if it has to be confirmed

C. divulsa is correct Pine!

C. divisa and C. flacca correct too
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